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The Vatican Holocaust, then and now

“Notes on the current Threat and the Historic Occurrences that relate to it”

This accompanies the interview  I did with Barry Chamish 10-14-10!
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By The Watchman
Dana G Smith
Keywords: Vatican, holocaust, Barry Chamish, Israel, Avro Manhattan, America, borders, belief

Recently I interviewed Barry Chamish on the Vatican Holocaust and related issues as they pertain to Israel. In this interview I brought up Avro Manhattan and also said something to the effect that he talked about this ‘holocaust’ coming to America. I saw as verifiable proof, by historic records along with what was out there that this could occur. Yet it is hard to conceive this coming to any nation, let alone America. There are two forces, I believe [of course without saying the biggest threat is true faith in Jesus Christ], that currently threaten this nation, one is Sharia law and Islam, the other is the Catholic nation and belief as pushed by the Vatican during the Inquisition.
This is one of the reasons, I believe many American administration and those behind the border policies don’t enforce borders in America. Especially the southern one. For those coming over to this nation are predominately Catholic origin in belief, therefore to push such a Catholic oneness, it would be easier to do with such numbers. Then as in Croatia, the Military units as Avro describes them would be those from the southern borders who could carry it out. All the while the Vatican denies it all!

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As Barry Spoke about one of his major interviews, who was the creator of the Oslo peace accords, which said “my boss doesn’t believe in borders, borders cause wars, remove the borders, and then there is no more cause for wars.” He said it in context of a “union of the entire middle east”, one where Israel disappears and Palestine is erected.  Yet for America, the same idea exists, to make this nation disappear and an North American Union that gives heed, kneels, and does what the World union says to do. All this fits into the end time mold of prophetic scripture and the coming “prince of darkness.”  This dark one will have help from the Harlot church herself. Need I say anymore?  To continue therefore, Barry went on:

Barry said, “that’s not what he said at all.” I disagreed vigorously and said something to the effect that he did say it. Barry is an in depth analytical investigator and I’m sure he remembers all the details or most of them of what Avro said. In short, When I read the  horrid details as he gave them, verifiable facts, I saw another one coming. Barry was thinking Analytically and he was correct ‘America’ was not mentioned specifically in regard to the holocaust, but then, neither was Israel. Matter of fact, Christians, Jews, and others were specifically targeted during historic inquisitions.

Barry see’s a ‘holocaust’ coming to Israel with total destruction. I see an end time prophetic calendar, one where the Lord is in Charge. But in this, I also see judgment on America with a ‘holocaust’ of her own. Whither or not it is from one instigated by the Vatican we do not yet know. I believe the evidence is there to prove, that the Vatican was involved in history and even Saint Malachi’s prophecies point to a time of a Dark Pope. Although I believe this office of a Dark Pope has been there for centuries, the final one will come and help the Prince of darkness bring in this Kingdom of his.

Again, the last paragraph is literally where we can find this hint from Avro!

For me the words “given the right opportunities and appropriate political climate” says it all. Here Avro says, “New Inquisitions, New Croatia’s and New Vietnams will be created again and again. When, where, and how, only the future will tell.”

“If the past be an indication of the shape of things to come then, given the right opportunities and appropriate political climate, New Inquisitions, New Croatia’s and New Vietnams will be created again and again. When, where and how, only the future will tell.” Avro Manhattan, Chapter 24, WHERE WILL BE THE NEXT HOLOCAUST?

This not only could mean the Vatican Holocaust in regards to Israel, a belief held by Barry, but also could mean a major problem for the USA. Could it happen here? I hope not, but I also know such trouble is coming to this nation, and soon in prophetic speak!

If you think such hints are to be ignored, then you don’t understand how viable a statement Avro said, along with the proof of history to back up his claims. Indeed another one is coming and I believe it will entail the whole world and not just America. We know that this coming is mentioned in the Word:

Scriptures, these are what I call the ‘End time Marching Orders’!

The Martry of the Saints:

Revelation 6:10  And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11  And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Overcoming Marytrs:

Revelation 12:11  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Who are these Saints and Martyrs?
1. These Saints Keep the commandments of God! [Jesus said, if you love me keep my commandments]
2. These Saints have the testimony of Jesus Christ!
3. These are to have the Patience and faith of the Saints amidst persecution!
4. These Saints keep the commandments of God [again repeated]!
5. These Saints keep the faith of Jesus!

Revelation 12:17  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 13:10  He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Revelation 14:12  Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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Thus, here is the last chapter of the Book, Vatican’s Holocaust and you can read this summation Chapter and his conclusion! His conclusion is that this has a very high likely hood to come true again!

The Vatican’s Holocaust

The sensational account of the most horrifying religious massacre of the 20th century
By Avro Manhattan

Chapter 24
WHERE WILL BE THE NEXT HOLOCAUST?

As soon as Constantine gave official recognition as a religion, she started to harass both Christians and non-Christians, who were not consonant with her. Her harassment of those not conforming with her commenced as early as the Fourth Century AD.

Such behavior became a tradition. It lasted and progressed for more than a thousand years. The apex of her intolerance eventually became epitomized by the Inquisition. The latter, in the Spanish Inquisition, which terrorized the whole of Europe for more than five centuries.
Pope Innocent gave precise instructions to all Inquisitors to enforce such regulations throughout Europe. Eventually it was made Statute Law. The regular clergy proved reluctant, so the Popes turned to the most fanatical, intolerant and narrow-minded section of the Church structure, the sundry monastic orders.

The two which excelled in their infamous task were the Dominicans and the Franciscans. Armed with practically unlimited power from the Popes, these Inquisitors swarmed all over Europe like theological hornets, setting up tribunals wherever they appeared.

Soon individuals, communities, nations, and indeed, the very hierarchy trembled at the mere mention of their names. Wherever they came, denunciations, accusations, treachery, perjury, torture, woe and death resulted.

The hooded Inquisitors did not content themselves with establishing their court in the sundry lands of Europe. Pope Gregory IX appointed a Dominican Grand Inquisitor for the whole of Armenia and Russia. Pope Urban VI ordered the General of the Dominicans to appoint Inquisitors for Armenia, Greece and Tartary (China).

Pope Nicholas IV asked the Patriarch of Jerusalem to create Inquisitors from the mendicant friars in his land. Pope Gregory XI granted authority to the Franciscan Provincial in the Holy Land to act as Chief Inquisitor in Syria, Palestine and even Egypt.

When an Inquisitor arrived everybody was commanded, in obedience to the Pope and to Mother Church, to disclose the name of anyone suspected of the slightest deviation from the Faith. The Inquisitors issued a compelling threat and a promise. A denouncer would get an indulgence of three years. Those avoiding their duty would be excommunicated.

Some denunciations were factual but many were concocted by vengeance, spite or jealousy. Those denounced, even on the flimsiest accusation or mere suspicion, would be arrested and flung directly into prison.

This usually was a common dungeon. Cold and damp, it lacked light or sanitation, and contained cut-throats, thieves and the like. Among these the friars would plant spies to induce the accused, by pretended friendship, threats, or other methods, to admit his guilt.

If this first step proved insufficient, the suspected heretic would be chained with heavy irons and left to starve in a dark, foul hole called the durus carcer—”cruel prison.” The accused was then brought before the inquisitorial tribunal composed of friars. If he asked the names of his accusers, he was told that only his judges had the right to know their names. He had no such right.

He was asked to confess to his guilt. If he pleaded innocence, he would be sent back to prison. On a second or third appearance before the Court, if he persisted he was put to torture. The whole purpose of his trial, of course, was to force a confession of heresy.

Torture was inflicted without solid proof of guilt. Two complainers or even one single accuser was sufficient for subjection to the agonies of torture, even if the accused man had, until then, been of unblemished character, pristine honesty and genuine piety.

The methods, kinds and degrees of torture were endless. The three basic ones employed were hoisting the man to the ceiling by his hands tied behind his back, breaking him on the rack, or greasing his feet and thrusting them into the fire.

If, following all the exquisite devices of torture, the heretic refused to recant or to admit his guilt, then the Inquisitors would pass capital sentence for heresy. To complete the macabre farce, the Holy Inquisitors would ask these same temporal powers, in the name of the Church, not to kill the poor accused. This formality was a mere legalistic device to make the Church appear innocent of the blood which was about to be spilled—or rather, burned.

The civil authorities could not heed this hypocritical plea, however, lest the Holy Inquisition fall upon them. Refusal to burn the heretic would have placed the temporal authorities themselves on trial for their lives. For heresy, of course!

Soon no one was safe from potential arrest. The spying, denunciation, and hunting down of heretics reached cleric or lay, men or women, noble or common. No one was immune from the terrorizing omnipresence of the Holy Inquisition.

This reign of Catholic terror lasted for centuries. Hundreds of thousands of men, women, and yes, even children were murdered…burned alive at the stake. Simply because they dared to disagree with the Holy Catholic Church or with her Popes.

This Vatican terror officially ended less than two hundred years ago. As recently as 1762 a Protestant pastor was condemned to death in France. Why? Simply because he was a Protestant! By whom? By the Catholic Church! Yes, by that same church which now pretends to love her “dear separated brethren.”

Indeed, in Europe torture was still enforced by all the Tribunals of the Holy Inquisition until the last century, the Pope being forced to abolish it only in 1816.

It was Napoleon, who entered Madrid in 1808, who was to abolish the Inquisition. When the Spanish Parliament in 1813 declared it incompatible with the Constitution, the Vatican protested. Super-Catholic Ferdinand VII restored it in 1814, with the full approval of the Church. The Holy Inquisition was finally suppressed by the Liberals in July, 1834.

The Vatican protested for decades, because Spain had suppressed the Inquisition. Why? Because the Catholic Church was persuaded, as in the past, that she had the right to IMPOSE her truth.

The belief, that it is still her duty to do so, is as alive today. It will remain so in the near and in the distant future.

The apologists of the Church assured the contemporary world that the horrors of the Inquisition will never be repeated, ever again. But the Catholic State of Croatia proved them wrong. The attempted coup of Hungary, when Cardinal Mindszenty tried to set up a totalitarian Catholic State, proved them wrong. The Catholic terrorism of Vietnam proved them wrong. The Catholic terrorism of Catholic Ireland proved them wrong.

The Catholic Church’s sudden espousing of Ecumenism was a classic device to make people forget that her basic spirit of intolerance is still within her.

It must be remembered that if the Inquisition was banned, against her will, only during the middle of the last century, the Holy Office, its inspirer and instrument was “abolished” only a few years ago. In fact, that it is operating, disguised under a specious name, in the silent walls of the Vatican of today.[1]

One of its main current tasks is to make sure that the Croatian Holocaust and the Catholic Dictatorship of Vietnam are forgotten, and become a mere footnote of remote history.

It has already partially succeeded. Since the contemporary world at large know very little about the true nature and the background religious intrigues of these two most reprehensible episodes of Catholic fanaticism.

And this to such a degree that, unlike Hitler’s and Stalin’s horrific concentration camps, the Croatian ones and the Buddhists self-immolation in Vietnam, as a protest against the Vatican’s religious terroristic interference, have already become taboos to the mass media of the world.

A dangerous triumph of contemporary Catholic pressure and its ecumenical and political associates. Forgetfulness and, even more, ignorance are dangerous twin brothers in our turbulent world. Since they are the breeders of unscrupulous ideological and ecclesiastical intrigues, and thus of potential new Croatia’s and new Vietnams.

The basic Catholic claims have never changed one single iota. The Catholic Church’s insistence about her own uniqueness has remained as granitically firm now, as it has always been. These are the same claims which produced the Inquisition, Croatia and the Catholic Dictatorship of Vietnam.

If the past be an indication of the shape of things to come then, given the right opportunities and appropriate political climate, New Inquisitions, New Croatia’s and New Vietnams will be created again and again. When, where and how, only the future will tell.


About the Author:

Avro Manhattan (1914-1990)

Avro Manhattan was the world’s foremost authority on Roman Catholicism in politics. A resident of London, during WW II he operated a radio station called “Radio Freedom” broadcasting to occupied Europe. He was the author of over 20 books including the best-seller The Vatican in World Politics, twice Book-of-the-Month and going through 57 editions. He was a Great Briton who risked his life daily to expose some of the darkest secrets of the Papacy. His books were #1 on the Forbidden Index for the past 50 years!!
The Vatican’s Holocaust – Revealed at Last!

A sensational account of the most horrifying religious massacre of the 20th century. Startling revelations of forced conversions, mass murder of non-Catholics, Catholic extermination camps, disclosures of Catholic clergy as commanders of concentration camps; documented with names, dates, places, pictures and eyewitness testimony

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“The Lessons of the aftermath of the loaves and fishes in John chapter six when Cross Contamination caused many to reject and become offended at the Son of Man.”

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Dana G Smith
Keywords: Watchman Newsletter, expose, biblical, jesus, christ, God, manna, loaves, disciples, fishes, offended, spiritual, carnal, belief
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John 6: 26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

John 6:
26  Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
27  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28  ¶Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29  Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30  They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

The Jews in Jesus day were not without miracles, that is true miracles done by the Lord.  In fact, John describes the many miracles and signs he gave. In chapter six of John and verse twenty six the Lord pointedly says to the Jews gathered “Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.” I ask myself when I read this “How can Jews where Jesus said “salvation is of the Jews”, be filled with a miracle feed like the loaves and fishes and still not grasp that this was a totally creative miracle done to prove he was the “True bread out of heaven?”  Yet, the Jews who saw, did not believe the works he did. They were blinded by their own traditions, pride, and unbelief. The same Jews who  persecuted the prophets and killed them still rejected those whom God sent to them, including Jesus of Nazareth.

John 4:
22  Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
29  Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?
30  Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.
39  And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.
42  And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

There were exceptions in Israel at the time, one such is found when Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well telling her among other things that “Salvation is of the Jews.” Here it is sad and ironic that although “Salvation is of the Jews”, the Jews rejected him! This whole event is recorded in John chapter 4. The outcome is that the Samaritans who were shunned by the Jews, actually recognized and saw Jesus as the Christ, the Savior of the world.  The Jews on the other hand were blinded to this.

Psalms 118:22  The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

Matthew 21:42  Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Scripture does tell us of this blindness, in fact, Jesus being the stone the builders rejected.  The very religious Jews, Pharisees, and the  chief priest rejected Jesus outright in many cases. What is still unbelievable is that right after they sat around in groups, watching the disciples dispense the bread and fishes, the remaining baskets of fragments of bread was twelve. Jesus started with only five barley loaves. In the twelve basket of  fragments, I see a representation of  the twelve tribes of Israel to whom Jesus was sent. Here the lesson is obvious, the Messiah was sent to the twelve tribes of Israel first. God wanted to feed them, not with physical bread, but with spiritual. The object lesson would lead to the Lord telling them “he was the bread from heaven.” Just as the Lord God sent Manna down from heaven to feed Israel in the days of Moses, so the LORD had sent the Messiach to Israel at that time. The Twelve baskets also were taken from the fragments of the bread. This tells us of abundance in the LORD God available to his people. Out of Gods overflow and abundance, there is blessing and salvation for those, especially the twelve tribes. Yet for all of this, they did not believe.

John 6:
32  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33  For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34  Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35  And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36  But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

In the conversation shortly before Jesus saying “I am the bread of life”, the Jews asked to see a sign proving he was the one God had sent. Here is the incredulous blindness of Israel and the Jews, in that those who sat, witnessed, and saw the miracle of the bread and fishes still wanted to see a sign. What more would they need? I believe the hardness of their hearts were so firm that day that no matter the sign the Lord gave that day, they would not believe. If they did not believe on him after the Loaves and fishes miracle, neither would they believe on him now. So he told them, “Ye also have seen me, and believe not.”

The only way to understand this I believe is in what I call Cross Contamination. The Jews with their unbelief and their own ideas as to the true nature, characteristics, and ministry of the Messiah. It is here where man and his religious mind can make up ideas as to what God is doing. They convince themselves of truth, even half truths when the truth is staring them in the face. Thus the blindness of the religious Jews and leaders of Israel towards Christ. They kept putting all things in materialistic, worldly ideology and thought, when Jesus told them that it was otherwise. Add to this mixture unbelief and stubbornness of heart and you have a lethal mix that will bring about rejection.

On example of this is when the Lord spoke to the Jews “except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.” Jesus not only told his disciples once, but six times, in somewhat differing ways.  The religious Jews only thought in the carnal and worldly sphere.

John 6:
53: Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you
54: Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day
55:  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56: He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him
57: I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58: This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

This is true Spiritual and physical cross contamination. Where secular and carnal people get the truth mixed up with mans ideas and human spirit wisdom. By man’s wisdom nor by the worlds wisdom can you know God, through Jesus Christ. So too, here we find the Jews in the dark as to what he is saying. Jesus even goes on to say his words are spirit.  The Spirit is the only source which quickens and makes alive. It is the Spirit, through which men become born again. Jesus tells them this fact “It is the Spirit that quickens, the flesh profits nothing, the words I speak to you are Spirit and life.” It does no good to eat flesh, it is not actual eating of flesh and drinking of blood that our Lord is talking about. Today you and I know that, but then, the Jews did not. In fact this saying was so troubling, and an abomination to Jews regarding eating human flesh and drinking human blood, many of his disciples left him. It is here that Jesus also says a fact about those who can come to him. Jesus says here in John Six and verse sixty-five “that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”  Further scripture records, “many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him.”

John 6:
60  ¶Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61  When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62  What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64  But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65  And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66  From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him

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Truth is, many of the Revelations God gives us can be hard to understand, that is, until he reveals it through his Spirit to us. Just as the above illustrates, many disciples discontinued walking with Jesus.. Most of the time because they are ignorant, in the dark, and do not understand. Thinking of it in terms of Carnal, flesh, and worldly wisdom. I know of many churches, denominations, and preachers who do this. Many doctrines follow this. The truth is our God is a Spirit, we must worship him in Spirit and Truth. To know him, we must allow the Spirit to reveal the true things of God to us. We must be open to his ways and understand what he is telling us.  It is sad in the above context that the very disciples who witnessed the loaves and fishes did not walk anymore with him simply because they actually thought he was telling them to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood. Even this, today does not make sense!

Moreover, Jesus does tell his disciples and us today in John Chapter 15 of the true relationship his disciples were to have with him. I call this the Unity chapter, where Jesus tells us he is the vine, they, the disciples and all future disciples are the branches. From the vine you get the sustenance to live. You cannot live, exist, or continue without being connected to the vine. So too, you cannot live today without that same connection. Through his Spirit, his Word, in prayer, and in faith. You cannot live without this connection! This is the true Spirit explanation of the phrase “eat my flesh and drink my blood”.  It is a connection with God, our Father, through Jesus Christ the vine. It is a relationship in which we find all the sustenance of life and redemption in Him.

The first group of scriptures in this article bring in the truth that Jesus is the one that “God the Father sealed.” He tells them to “labor not for the meat which perishes” but for the “meat which endures unto everlasting life which the Son of man shall give unto you.” All this remember is in connection with the miracle of the Loaves and fishes. They were full, sought him out, and many followed him. But they did so out of carnal and worldly reasons. But in this conversation they ask Jesus simply “what shall we do, that we might work the works of God?” Jesus then told them that “the work of God is to believe on him whom he hath sent.” It is here that they ask for a sign so they may see and believe thee? Saying further “what dost thou work.”

John 6:
26  Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
27  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28  ¶Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29  Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30  They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

It is here then he starts telling these disciples and other crowded around about Moses and the Manna in the wilderness. He relates he is that “bread.” Again, through all of this, they are still in the dark. It is at the end of this that many turn away because of his “eating his flesh and drinking his blood” requirements. Totally not seeing the very experience of the loaves and fishes as a sign, then not connecting the “Son of man” whom they followed to this bread of heaven. This illustrates vividly that indeed it is the Father, who through his Spirit, makes alive, quickens, gives understanding, and brings people unto himself through Jesus Christ. This proves in short order the Spiritual nature and warfare of the redemption of men. Satan keeps them in the dark while their carnality works against belief.

This was so intense an exchange that the Lord then turned to his original disciples because he had heard them discussing it and said to them: “Doth this offend you?” As he was speaking this disciples who had been with him, turned away offended. Even today, disciples and believers do this regularly. When confronted with something they do not know or understand, they simply turn away.  Even at these times, discernment is truly through the Spirit. Although many believers think themselves such, the truth is, many walk away from real truth, missing out on Gods revelation on a matter simply because of offense and misunderstanding. Is it Spiritually carnal pride? Is it carnal ways getting in the way? It can be many things, but one lesson can be learned here. The original disciples did not understand it, but even though they did not fully comprehend what Jesus was saying here, they knew one thing and it is that one thing that kept them in his corner. This one thing made them truly trust the Son of Man even though the issue had caused many other disciples to turn away. This one issue was the fact that just as Peter said “Lord to whom shall we go? Thou has the words of eternal life, and we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the Living God.”  Even if they did not fully understand they trusted Jesus and believed that he would indeed make it plain so they could Spiritually understand these hard teachings.  It was after this that the Jews sought to kill him so he walked no more openly in Jewry [John 7].

John 6:
61  When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
67  Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68  Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69  And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

In conclusion, I call this cross contamination because of the divisions in the American Christianity. Many times we become offended at pastors, in church, with other believers, and walk in a pride of the human flesh carrying with us the same proud religious spirit the Jews had during the time of Christ. This kept many of them from truly ‘spiritually discerning’ who he was. Today it keeps us from the ‘spiritual truth’ that God wants to deliver to us. Yet he does deliver it and there are those who receive it. Let us learn the lesson from this and the disciples. The ones who kept with the Lord were those who knew that they knew, that they knew, this was the Son of man, the Son of God, the Messiah to come with the words of eternal life. This alone kept them, even though, they may not have fully understood his teaching at the time. Later in John chapter fifteen Jesus does indeed teach them more Spiritual truth on these matters. In all this it took believe and faith.

John 15:
1  ¶I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2  Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3  Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4  Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5  I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing

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The Real Context of Faith

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“The Real Context of Faith”

by the Watchman Dana G Smith

This is part of a Saturday night ‘Watchman & Friends’ Warn Radio Teaching, go to our archives here! Look for the ‘The Real Context of Faith’, in our Watchman & Friends Warn Radio segments.

Keywords: Yeshua, Jesus Christ, Belief, Faith, America, wisdom

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‘The Real Meaning of and Real Purpose of Faith’

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

  • It is what this is about, belief!
  • Belief in an unknown god was not there, then wham, we believed!
  • Through no power of our own, wham, we believed!
  • Why?
  • Something happened!
  • Why?
  • A power occurred!
  • Why?
  • We changed!
  • Why?
  • We came to know this God and started walking by Faith!

Belief in something we cannot or could not see, that is, until we saw him by faith then everything changed in our world!

The atheist sees us and asks where is your God, I see nothing! He doesn’t have faith as we do!
The American in his wealth, pride, lifestyle, sees us and says, there is a force, something that holds it together, but God if there is one, helps those who helps himself!
The goyim, the gentile who has no relation to this God, sees one who is foolish, such wisdom is foolishness to believe in something you cannot see and then dare to live and then possibly die for such a belief. This is foolishness to them.

The truth is this God defends the poor, is attentive to the downtrodden, and is laborious in revealing himself and bringing those who need help, to himself; teaching them to believe in someone they cannot see, trust in something they cannot touch, and walk in a belief that may lead them to death for the namesake of whom they believe in and cannot see!

The jews had experienced 400 years of what we call, between the covenants. From Malachi to the first word in Matthew.

They knew religious fervor, they knew of a God, they had hope in a Messiah. This Messiah would bring in a new era of deliverance for the Jews and Israel. Once again he would bring in and restore the twelve tribes.

Heb 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

They had seen the glory years, but now the generation to welcome the Messiah Y’SHUA was one that only read in their own histories the glories of David and Solomon. They read of Elijah, Enoch, and of Father Abraham. They also had become entwined in religious covenantal law that made it impossible for many of them to follow the law of God. The religious experts, the priest, Sanhedren had developed laws of their own, called traditions of men that made the real law of God of none effect.

The Jews had seen the northern tribes scattered, the 10 most northern, called Israel or Ephraim. God had said he would scatter them to the nations for their idolatry and he did. Now after the invasion into Israel of strong Gentile nations like Persia and Babylon, they had been overrun, captured, made slaves. It was now the time of the Roman Empire, they had allowed the tiny slot of Judah to be run by the Jews own power structure in oversight by the Roman Governor. The strong arm of Roman law was everywhere. Roman roads connected the world, and the power to contend with was Rome.

It was into this that the Messiah who would fulfill the hopes and dreams of mothers, Jewish heritages, lines of hope through the ages. All these women hoped as Mothers of Israel to birth the King that they knew would come. He would be the Messiach, the Hope of the Restoration of Israel, the Son of God!

It came through a woman called Mary and her husband Joseph who did not physically father this child but was a father in the flesh to the young Messiah.

This was the promise of Israel, the hope of Jews everywhere! This would be the offering of God, the Lamb of God, the one slain before the foundation of the world!

This is the PROMISE to come! Although they still did not understand his full duty, he would pick followers who later would become witnesses. These are the Apostles and their witness to the things they saw, experienced, and were taught. All this being put down in written record for others, these personal records are in the Gospels. They were never meant to replace the torah, the prophets, the books of wisdom which the Gentile believers now call the Old Testament or covenant! For these early ones, their book was the Torah, the five books of law, the prophets, and the books of wisdom, the psalms, the proverbs. Their church was the synagogue and meetings in homes of believers, later on during persecution caves and dens of rocks for safety. They met on the traditional Shabbat, and also on everyday of the week in which they could. This was the day of fresh outpouring, the power of God, the demonstration of the Holy Spirit!
It was the time of evil, rebellion, religious fervor, idolatry, fornication, and man’s propensity to war and do wickedly. But in this, God sent his son, born of a woman, filled with the fullness of the Spirit of God! This was Gods Son, Y’SHUA Ha Massiach! He had come, fulfilling Gods promise to mankind! Yet for these, this Messiah would not spend eternity on earth building Zion. He would establish his purposes which were the Fathers purposes, leave the Spirit of God, Hope, and see the building of the ‘called out ones’. Who would carry his message to the end of the World and his coming back again to this earth and then he would fulfill and build up Zion on Earth.

This is the last days of the end, just before the coming of Messiah back.

This is the faith, the promise, the hope of mankind! This is the beginning and the foundational hope forming what we call the “Context of faith”.

  • He was everything to these Jewish people!
  • He was more than a spot of religion!
  • He was more than another brand to believe in!
  • He was more than what we would call denominational!

He was the True HOPE of all Israel, the Messiach, the coming promised one who would restore all things!